Count Graf Stamati, then working for the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, recalled how Abel placed doubt with the Untermensch theory at a meeting of the Ministry.
In practice, however, Rosenberg's authority was substantially undermined by the appointment of Erich Koch to administer Ukraine with orders from Hitler to be hard and brutal.
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In late February 1943 Otto Bräutigam of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories had the opportunity to read a personal report by Wagner about a discussion with Heinrich Himmler, in which Himmler had expressed the intention to kill about 80% of the populations of France and England by special forces of the SS after the German victory.